Where is Your Faith

When I ask Christians if they believe Endless Conscious Torment (ECT) is an essential doctrine, most often they say that it is. Some understand that it is not a doctrine over which we should divide, but the vast majority of Christians feel rather strongly about this doctrine. They genuinely believe that the doctrine of ECT is an essential doctrine. To those who feel this way, I have one simple question for you. Are you ready?

If ECT turns out to be false, would your faith have been in vain?

Many say, “I would love to see everyone saved, but unfortunately that will not happen.”

Really? Is it unfortunate? For you? For God? Will it certainly not happen? Must it not? 

Granted, many will die just as lost as ever, but must the story end there? Must it!? Why can’t God pursue His handiwork until all is made well? Until He has mended that which is broken? Why won’t He? Because of free will? Or some irrevocable judgement? What limits or ceases God’s pursuance of mankind? His “Day of Judgement”? Does God limit God when it comes to doing good? 

Many appeal to the fact that the Bible doesn’t explicitly say that people can be saved after they die. Well, does it explicitly say otherwise? If not, then this is an open question. And open questions are full of possibilities. And where there is possibility, there is hope. 

Faith is the substance of things hoped for . . . 

Where is your faith? Have you no hope? I certainly do, and it is in the God of grace, mercy, love, and justice; none of which are mutually exclusive, but are rather mutually inclusive. Neither is quite itself without the others. They are not combative, but complimentary.

Will your faith have been in vain if God reconciles all things unto Himself? My faith is not in vain. It is in Christ alone—the Savior of the [entire] world. The substance of my faith is in He who will reconcile, restore, and unite all things in heaven and on earth.

One day, the Kingdom of God will envelop all of creation. And that requires His righteousness to be established, in its fullness, throughout all that He has created. ECT circumvents God’s decrees and ultimately His own victory. 

We have been given the ministry of reconciliation because God wants us to participate in the recreation of creation. Does God do things half-heartedly? Does He take off early or procrastinate? He created everything in six days and THEN rested. He will not rest until ALL things are made new. Neither should we rest until our ministry is complete, until everyone has been reconciled—because He certainly won’t.


5 thoughts on “Where is Your Faith

  1. As I said before, the Church has ruled on this and the Church is the final word in interpreting the Sacred Scriptures. Without a sole source of truth, the interpretation of Scripture is left up in the air and everyone with an opinion can claim truth.

    This is no small matter, for in the Scripture, we read of Christ saying that the Father seeks those who will worship Him in spirit and in truth. Christ states that He is the way, the truth, and the life. Truth is held up in a high position in Scripture. So obviously there is an importance to having truth and to knowing what the truth is.

    There is also the question of why God established the Church and gave authority to only certain men if anyone can come along and teach anything they wish and claim authority over others. In other words, is the Church important or not?

    If it is, then ECT is true, whether we find it palatable or not. If not, then anything goes and anyone can teach just about anything they wish and claim divine inspiration.

    Does falsehood have effect upon our relationship with God? if so, then truth is important, and more important is where it may be found. Who or what is that place where truth is found. So far, to me, it has to be the Church.


    • Prevalent theology is not equivalent to divine inspiration. It has, often in times past, been incorrect. That is why prevalent theology has been fluid. It has changed over the years. We are commanded to test all things. Blind faith in popular theology hinders that.


      • Noooooooooooo!!!! You are so wrong on this it is not funny!!!!

        Look, divine inspiration only comes to those who have been given the authority and guidance of the Holy Spirit. Christ Jesus made it quite clear that this charism was being given to the leadership of the new congregation which He had formed in His Blood, called the eklessia, or “church.”

        That which was given to the Apostles (i.e. teachings such as the Eucharist, baptismal regeneration, etc.) was faithfully guarded and passed from generation to generation by discipleship. As such, it became what is called “Holy Tradition” long before the multitudinous writings extant were examined and a canon of scripture declared by the Church.

        What you call “fluid” is actually the introduction of heresy, that is, teachings which go against the divine inspiration and teaching of the Apostles. For example:

        1. Rejection of the Eucharist as the very Body and Blood of Christ. One of the earliest teachings found extant in the writings of the Early Fathers. Those writings show clearly how the Church understood John 6.

        2. Rejection by the Anabaptists of baptismal regeneration. Again, shown in early writings as that which Jesus taught the Apostles.

        3. Rejection of the Church as authoritative and binding upon us. Ray Sutton makes the case that if there is no visible authority on earth (i.e. a seen and known place of authority which speaks authoritatively, then God has no authority on earth).

        This last point is the killer for me regarding Universal Salvation. Look, I desperately WANT to believe in such a thing. But to go against established authority, especially when Scripture states that rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, is not safe for one’s soul.

        You are still failing to show me how I get around this problem. All your post here has told me is that I should reject the Church and instead look to the chaotic mess called “Protestantism” and then try to figure out which of the 40,000 denominations is telling the truth about God.

        Sir, that is a fool’s errand.

        But to end on a good note … I do appreciate your taking the time to respond to me. Please don’t think that I lack appreciation of your efforts. You are just not answering my confusion at this moment.

        Patristic Universalism is appealing on so many levels. Perhaps someday I will just accept it and take the consequences.


  2. It is appointed once to die and then the judgement. Many are called, few are chosen. Then there is the story Jesus told of the 5 wise and the 5 foolish virgins…there are many reasons we believe there is a place where “the worm dieth not” What would be the point of Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross if everyone would wind up o.k. anyway?


    • You seem to believe I have never asked myself those questions. I believed in ECT for most of my life. Those questions were concerns of mine when I was first introduced to CU. I investigated the doctrine and learned that those questions have good answers…

      I can answer each of those questions for you if I you are genuinely searching for an answer. If you really want to learn more about CU and how it addresses concerns like those that you have risen, feel free to email me at charleswatsonsr1988@gmail.com

      On my website, you can find links to pages that would be beneficial in your search.

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